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  • hebbar77
    05-29 07:18 PM
    nothing came easy for immigrants here including europeans immigrants in early 1500's! They silenced the people to make their way!, we are standing in line!

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  • GCforever1
    07-31 12:18 AM
    Thanks for providing such a useful tip. I will adopt same with Amway people. Hope I am lucky like you... and get to bang some amway guy's wife

    Travind I am not close to the family anymore I made the dude so uncomfortable he stopped calling me. Here are some avoidance techniques, but you need to be ballsy to pull them of and never exceed the limits of decency and you must have a sense of timing and humor to do these. I have used these techniques myself for avoidance
    1) Stare at his wife or sister and constantly compliment their looks, cooking, chai etc
    2) Make lots of sticky notes with their quotes in the meetings and stick it on their walls
    3)Break your pencil or pen at the meeting and loudly say cuss words like "shit that is good"
    4) Itch nervously when they approach you in any location they will leave you thinking you have some skin disease.
    5) Cough without closing your mouth directly in front of their face
    6) Wear ghetto clothes when you go to the usual locations they avoid you like the plague (sorry guys who wear kurta with jeans and leather chappals you are the most obvious target)
    7) Borrow cd's, dvd's etc and never return them or their calls they are bound to be nice since even in the worst case they are still trying to sell to you.

    There are more things to do but i'm guessing some other people will post their experiences , just one word of caution do not extend your torture because these people are human beings who have been proselytized by their diamonds etc that they dont realize and don't worry they will not learn from you.

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  • alisa
    02-18 11:49 PM
    I think we can make some very credible and good arguments for ourselves.

    a) The changing demographics require an increased level of immigration. It is upto this country to decide if it wants semi-skilled immigrants (Indian cooks and gardeners) and their siblings/parents, or high-skilled immigrants.

    b) It is not really the smartest thing in the world to bring people here from foreign lands, let them work here in high-tech fields, and then send them back after 6-10 years so that they can compete against Americans from OUTSIDE America.

    c) A lot of EB-based immigrants have been to American colleges and have graduate degrees. Again, see (b) above. Not the brightest idea to have this American-educated and trained high-skilled manpower forced to go back to India and China, the two main US competitors.
    Atleast, not if you are America.

    Bottomline is this. If there have been abuses of the system, and any system will be abused, then those need to be fixed. If there are loopholes, they need to be plugged (and people will come up with more loopholes.) But the USCIS should not throw the baby out with the bath water. Either this country values high-skilled immigrants, or it doesn't. The high-skilled immigrants need to know this, so that they can make decisions in their life. The incompetence of USCIS can't be the instrument of public policy making.

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  • delhirocks
    06-26 11:53 PM
    This is what my very very high profile attorney wrote in her email to me today....

    " We have heard that there will be a visa regression the first week of July "

    And in immigration matters I trust her more than anybody in this whole country. So guys be ready and prepared. Do what u have to do. Be proactive.

    My post is not to spread rumors or scare people but to help them to grab this golden opportunity.

    I am ready to send papers for July 1st.

    good luck with that...


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  • acecupid
    07-16 06:50 PM
    This whole thread is speculation, your basic assumption itself is wrong. The horizonal spill over is not a permanent policy or trend which will be practised. You should read the INA law clearly. But if this speculation makes you happy, enjoy! :)

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  • WeShallOvercome
    07-24 06:48 PM
    And what reason might that be? To be born in an insanely ridiculously pathetically gutterish country like India you need to have been a sinner in your previous life.

    Or a looser in your present life to be saying so!!!!


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  • boreal
    05-29 01:45 PM
    I strongly feel you guys are right regarding EB1 misuse. I also know of some people who are applying in EB1 using these loopholes. we should do something to stop this fraud.

    So overall maybe 2k-3k EB1s are gone to those fraudsters! Big deal? How good a visa movement will we get if we prevent that? By stirring this stink pit, we are only doing more damage to our cause. This is another bullet for those antis to pick up on and malign us even further. Why even discuss such things?

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  • gc_on_demand
    09-17 11:24 AM
    On a ballpark, EB2-I has demand for about 50K immigrant visa numbers. Last year we got 25K. I am assuming we are going to get the same number this year too. So that cleared entire 2004.

    Next year the situation may be different, because demand from other countries is less, So we could see a bigger leap and might put us in early 2006 by end of FY10. FY11 may not be that nice when economy starts improving. We could be back to square one.

    Bottomline, Without a recapture, EB2I/C will not make much progress. EB3-Worldwide is only a place holder in the very long line.

    IV members need to concentrate on the recapture, filing AOS after I140 is approved, visa stamping within USA to make our life easy.

    Only thing we can do is grassroots advocacy. Which may take few years... I don't have hope that in CIR we will be huge getting benefits ( Because of Antis and Some Dems like Senator Durbin ). Also Chances of any piecemeal is very less because of Hispanic caucus.

    Only thing left is Administrative fixes. who can give us temp relief. Like Mr Bush did for TN visas.


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  • lazycis
    02-13 05:04 PM
    See extract from Ombudsman's report yprocessing.pdf

    218,759 visas are available for recapture and those numbers were lost due to systematic agency delays and bad policies (i.e. name check).

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  • hiralal
    05-02 07:10 AM
    well that is because Israel is a developed (or better ) than India in many ways. one Indian politician had once told Pakistan ..we don't fight when people are killed ..we fight when our land is in danger ..apparently because there is no shortage of people.
    I have some sympathy for tamils in SL but not the LTTE of my tamil friends had told me that tamils are treated as second class in SL ..that being said ..the demand of LTTE for a separate state or country (or greater Eelam) is totally unjustified ...
    once such a thing happens in SL will then happen in India
    but I agree ..civilians should not be targetted ..(as said in the next post) ..if they are bombing hospitals then it is very bad. as for India's reaction .. THIS IS WHAT YOU GET WHEN U ELECT WEAK PRIME MINISTERS


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  • samay
    07-28 04:32 PM

    I have filled I-140 in last week of March 2008. My priority date(the day I file labor) is 15-Sep-2007. My labor got approved.

    My I-140 is under EB2 India.

    Today I checked status of my I-140 on

    It says :



    On July 25, 2008, we mailed a notice requesting initial evidence in this case. Please follow the instructions on the notice to submit the evidence requested. Meanwhile, processing of this case is on hold until we either receive the evidence or the opportunity to submit it expires. Once you submit the evidence requested and a decision is made, you will be notified by mail. If you move while this case is pending, please use our Change of Address online tool to update your mailing address.

    How much serious this is?? it says "REQUEST FOR INITIAL EVIDENCE SENT"

    I am waiting for RFI/RFE details as USCIS mailed it on July, 25 2008.


    Is this means that they are processing my case?? Once I will give response to this RFE & they find everything fine than they will approve it(Hopefully) !!!!!!!

    I will really appreciate your response.

    Please reply me ASAP.


    Relax and send all the documents requested by the USCIS. They might ask you for additional documents later based on what they receive from you or may approve your case.

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  • mundada
    06-15 04:18 PM
    I hear you buddy but that is what America is and that is what makes America so great. The constant flow of immigrants/productivity growth through technological enhancements will always require you to keep upgrading your skills and hence your salary.

    The moment you were forced to enroll in MBA in an effort to upgrade your skills and hence increase your salary means American model and (comparative advantage) economics are working.

    The same thing happened in agriculture, then manufacturing, and now IT and other industries. It is inevitable!

    By the way, it is not dumping. Here is the real definition of dumping, "the act of a manufacturer in one country exporting a product to another country at a price which is either below the price it charges in its home market or is below its costs of production".

    For your information, I like everyone was, am and will most likely continue to be affected by the outsourcing/offshoring/onshoring/immigration/technological innovation/etc.

    Finally protectionism does not work. Take a look at Detroit... in 1960s, 1970s and 1980s, the workers bargained for high salaries, job security, retirement benefit plans, etc., free and clear from any foreign worker competition. And now in 2009, take a look at what happened to these workers at the big three, to their house values, to their children's future, to their retirement funds, etc.

    After this do you really think you can protect yourself by closing the door behind you when that is the only exit door, in case you need one!

    Ivar and group,

    I think you guys are missing the plot here. Let me reiterate loud and clear. I am NOT against immigrants getting GC. I will not, even in my wildest dreams, claim that the recession is due to the H1Bs and L1s. That is complete baloney spread around by the anti immigrant lobby. My point is let the deserving the GCs soon and not go thru the mindless wait I went thru.

    Having said that I am for the following :

    1. If the outsourcing companies would pay on an avg at 80K per head for the "well qualified" people, I am even ok with their dumping their dumping the L1s here. Why is it that you guys are ok with the L1s being dumped at 40K-60K salaries ? Shuldn't they get paid high too ? This is what I am arguing for. If the outsourcing cos dont want to pay this rate, then keep them in the country of origin. No need to depress wages here. Is this a wrong thing to ask ?

    2. Grassley's bill may force some companies to move entirely to India or China. Isnt that good for India and China ? Why are the pro immigrants against this ? Some times I get the feeling as to who actually is pro and who is anti immigrant !!!! In adition, it may eliminate the many backlogs and help the deserving people here.

    3. People who have made a conscious decision to immigrate here have done so considering the standard of living as one of the primary factors in their decisions. In order to enjoy this standard of living, people have to constantly upgrade skillsets to remain competitive in an industry or move to another industry where mass interest is relatively low. Why should these people's lives, after all the travails, be impacted by the low wage scum outsourcing companies. Please remember these companies, like an other company on earth, operate only on self interest. No point in supporting such companies which in adition to the self interest principle also flout rules with abandon.

    4. In my opinion, self interest has alwyas resulted in the greater good of society. Do not confuse self interest with greed. Greed is what caused this financial mess. If people/companies operated with concern for greater societal good, they would have spent billions in concocting an AIDS vaccine for the children in Africa than to spend the same billions in concocting VIAGRA for the rich old men. Since employment based immigration debate involves companies' interests too, we have to balance societal good with some impact for the companies. My suggestion here is that let the outsourcers take the hit. They have always benefitted by flouting the rules. If your concern is way too high for your L1 brothers then you would find it prudent to bring in the law that clearly states "Pay high wages for the L1s or dont bring them in here". I dont understand what is wrong here ? Is it that I didnt convey my message across right or is it that people blindly support immigration ?


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  • Rohan99
    07-22 12:24 PM
    dude, don't read too much.... it is a fun thread, Another way to scare Amway jokers.

    You will not believe that during Indian Independence day parade in Fremont Ca, these jokers were standing next to ticket counter and bothering everyone. I was not spared but I was polite to them because by nature I am not rude but annoyed lot.

    Dont you think you took it too far? I dont think you make much sense. There it is, since you asked for my opinion.

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  • bobzibub
    04-04 11:51 PM
    I'm a computer guy. I just hear what is in the news. = )

    hello bobzibub,

    great to see someone welcoming immigrants. My wife is a dentist, licensed in one state of the USA. However she does not have a US DDS. She was licensed by the state as she has great experience and she passed all the tests needed. She has been very well practising dentistry for almost 2.5-3 years now in the US. However, Canada does not let internationally trained dentists get licensed without going to Canadian/American dental school. If you know of any place in CA which would license my wife as she has more than 7 years of exp (4+in India, alomst 3 in USA) and had passed all exams (Board, licensing etc etc), please let me know. That is the single most imp reason for me to still hang im here.


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  • samay
    07-30 04:22 PM

    1) My I-485(EB2-India) application file has two I-140 receipts (both of these are EB2) one of these I-140 is approved and the other was denied and a Motion to Reopen has been filed for this. How will the two EB2 I-140s affect my I-485 application?

    2) I got a RFE for my I-1485 on June 17th 2008, asking for a I-140 approval notice. As we do not have a physical approval (never received the approval, may be lost in mail) notice my current attorney responded to the I-485 RFE and included the first I-140 receipt notice and also a copy of the approval email received from USCIS. The attorney also included the details of the second I-140 i.e the Motion to Reopen (I-290B) notice. Is the approach a good one?

    3) My attorney also requested to consider the approved I-140 for adjucating the I-485 for me and my wife since the approved I-140 was filed and approved before filing the I-1485 and also we were married before the I-485 was filed. Will USCIS consider this request?

    4) Also, will USCIS have a copy of my I-140 approval notice and will they use that and consider my I-485 case?

    5) Will a Infopass appointment help in anyways?

    My PERM labor was approved in May 2006 and my priority date is current for August 2008. The I-485 RFE response was received by USCIS on July 16th 2008 and my I-485 processing has resumed. I was wondering if USCIS will consider my approved I-140 for processing my I-485. Also, any other suggestions you could give me would be appreciated.

    I am a little confused - Were two separate I-140 applications filed for you. If not why was a motion to reopen filed by your attorney if you received an approval notice. I am wondering why your attorney did not just inform the USCIS that they issued two receipts for the same case. As far as I can tell right now you should wait for the processing of your case. On another note even though your priority date is current your service center might not be processing cases with your filing date.

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  • chanduv23
    03-14 09:33 AM
    Hi, I am seriously planning to start Canadian immigration after wasting 7 years of my life in chasing GC. Can anybody suggest some good lawyers/attorneies/agencies who are not money suckers like US immigration attornies ? Also, somebody mentioned that one can apply Can immigration by himself. Is there any issue with that ?

    U can do it urself, it is easy and intuitive, just google up their website and you can do it. You don't need agency or lawyer


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  • mallickarjunreddy
    07-13 10:30 AM
    WHY not go back to India if the GC process fails , I mean after all India is our home country rite .(I am talking only about Indians)

    Health and Wealth are subjective after all

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  • chantu
    03-30 02:48 PM
    If a Italian citizen controll the major Party of India; why not a Brazilian knows more?:)

    Any way I will update soon....

    That is the tragedy of India. Except Indians everybody has ruled India and still people have no remorse, no self respect.

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  • ebizash
    07-27 01:15 PM
    What has EB5 to do with amway?
    Did I mention I'm making millions? Obviously on the way, but atleast I have something to fall back to if I loose my job. Do you?

    Really... Millions... Have you checked the disclaimer in your lit pack under the 6-4-3 plan. A typical IBO makes $115 a month... Amway / BWW was forced to put this statement because of a lawsuit brought by Amway Diamonds and Double Diamonds... You can google...

    I know you will now state that "you don't want to be an average... an average corporate employee makes $30K.. etc.. etc.." (Straight from Brad Duncan's CD) I have used it myself hundreds of times on the prospects...

    "..veracity of this statement"
    Sure pick up the phone and dial IRS, or call your accountant. Or your lawyer if you want to play it safe.
    Other people doesn't do or will never do anything, other then wearing pantyhose and tip toeing through the tulips.

    By the way did you call IRS to check.. or you are just believing what Kanti / Kumar / Raj or any other Diamond told you.. Oh another thing that they regularly mention in their trainings "IRS and USCIS don't share data so IRS won't know if you are on H1 or not"... USCIS can ask for your Tax returns before granting Green Card...

    May be you have not received 1099 from Amway yet but the 1099 income on 1040 goes under a separate head "Self Employment"...

    I know you will respond with some nasty stuff but I urge you to take the emotional hat off and think rationally (which I know is very hard as I had faced the same things) about the direction that Amway is taking... especially in Indian community... Do you see many Indian faces these days in the Amway's Inspire magazine or new Rubys, Emeralds, or Diamonds...

    This is a good way to make some residual income (I still get monthly check 4 years after stopping to build it) but millions??? Not many EDCs and Diamonds make that money if you exclude the money from CDs, Books, CommuniKate etc..

    Good luck!

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    06-27 09:37 PM
    "However, considering the fact that the USCIS currently rejects the "Other Worker" category I-485 applications even though June 2007 Visa Bulletin show current for certain applicants because the "other worker" category quota was exhausted on June 5, 2007".

    Does anybody know if they rejected all other worker's applocation who filed in June or rejected only who filed on or after June 5, 2007...

    According to the AILA, approximately 40,000 visas remain in all employment-based categories, other than EW, for FY2007, according to its sources, and that the USCIS has far more than 40,000 adjustment applications in the backlog queue that are ready for approval, not to mention the additional numbers which will be consumed in concular immigrant visa processing. It is thus possible that the cap may reach within a short period in July, even though no one can predict it until after July 2, 2007. The USCIS at this time does not have any policy announced with reference to July 2007 I-485 filings which are filed after certain date in July when the total number is exhausted. However, considering the fact that the USCIS currently rejects the "Other Worker" category I-485 applications even though June 2007 Visa Bulletin show current for certain applicants because the "other worker" category quota was exhausted on June 5, 2007. This raises a serious concern because as we reported earlier today, the USCIS appears to be picking up the speed of processing of backlog I-485 applications in anticipation of flood of July 485 applications. The USCIS hands may be tied, should the EB visa numbers for FY 2007 is exhausted before the end of July.

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